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NVBIRDS May 2014

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Re: From the moderator: update on listserv problems (long but important)

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BETTY LOUISE DAVENPORT <[log in to unmask]>

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BETTY LOUISE DAVENPORT <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 7 May 2014 13:31:14 -0600

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This was the answer. I was not deleted from the list
Betty Louise
http://idahobluebird50.wordpress.com

Alan Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>A major snafu in the email world has led to a third (~115) of us being
>deleted from the Nevada bird listserv.  This is far beyond just our
>listserv, and the root problem, unfortunately, will persist.  Yahoo.com has
>implemented a new policy that is trying to put a stop to phishing attacks,
>and many (but not all) of the major ISPs have had to adopt or cope with it.
>PC World provided a more detailed summary of this change and its effect on
>listservs, so read that if you want the gory details:
>http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-break
>s-mailing-lists.html.
>
>The bottom line is that any yahoo.com email ([log in to unmask] for example)
>that passes through a second party (i.e., our listserv) gets blocked by
>other internet service providers (ISPs) because it's not coming directly
>from Yahoo.  The ISP generates what's called an error message that is sent
>to the listserv software.  Most listservs, including the one that hosts our
>list, have long deleted subscribers when the subscriber accumulates error
>messages from their ISP over five or six days, or gets 10 error messages in
>a shorter period of time.  The listserv software is mainly trying to prevent
>repeated phishing attacks on email accounts, as well as weeding out defunct
>email addresses.   
>
>Quite a few subscribers to this list have yahoo.com email addresses and
>regularly report sightings to the list.  The new Yahoo policy did not go
>into full effect until about April 5, and earlier yahoo.com postings did not
>generate error messages.  Starting April 5, the change kicked into gear and
>began creating error messages as yahoo.com contributors sent in postings.
>This has nothing to do with the listserv software, and everything to do with
>how ISPs have dealt with this change in different ways.  People who use
>yahoo.com, msn.com, att.net, live.com, sbcglobal.net, comcast.com, and a few
>others have been badly affected, and they rapidly accumulated error messages
>and were deleted on April 10 (Thursday).  People who use other ISPs (aol.com
>and others) have not been affected because their ISP so far has not adopted
>this policy (yet).  As the PC World article and other things that I've read
>have noted, some ISPs like gmail.com don't create an error message but
>instead move all yahoo.com emails into the spam folder. 
>
>All of the companies that run listservs, including the L-Soft company that
>runs our software,  are up in arms about this (see the PC World article).
>Yahoo.com might change its policy, but this problem will persist until a
>workable compromise is reached.  All of us will continue to get emails from
>yahoo.com subscribers, which will result in more deletions and more need to
>resubscribe (likely repeatedly for both).  
>
>Before this started, we had about 450 subscribers, and about 115 have been
>deleted to date.  A lot of the other 335 people use a very wide range of
>other ISPs that haven't adopted these rules, so an email from
>[log in to unmask] is just fine with those ISPs as long as they don't adopt
>the rules.  Some of those 335 have ISPs that are using the Yahoo policy but
>did not get deleted, and a quick check indicates that many of those people
>get their postings in a digest format.  Digests accumulate all of the day's
>postings and send them as one package at the end of the day.  Thus, even
>though a digest may CONTAIN a posting from a yahoo.com person, the actual
>digest comes directly FROM the listserv software and thus is OK:  the
>content of the email is not the problem, just the "From" line if it comes
>from a yahoo.com account.
>
>So, what to do?  If you were not deleted, then you might be fine as long as
>your ISP doesn't adopt this policy.  If you did get deleted, then you likely
>will be deleted again as more postings come in from yahoo.com addresses.
>The workaround is to change your subscription to the digest format.  To do
>that:  
>
>***********************
>Send an email to [log in to unmask]  (note that this is different
>from the address to send postings).
>
>Leave the subject line blank.
>
>In the body of the email, type (or cut/paste) SET NVBIRDS DIGEST
>
>Do not have anything else in the body of the email, such as signatures or
>canned stuff that your ISP might put in there.
>
>Finally, send the email.  You'll get a confirmation of the change.
>
>***********************
>
>I did that for my subscription yesterday morning.  I received my digest at
>9:01 last night, and it included the postings that came in after I switched.
>One of those was from a yahoo.com subscriber.  That posting triggered an
>error message for the 15 people who resubscribed yesterday after being
>deleted in the first round.  Thus, the yahoo.com problem persists for them,
>although they were not deleted again on the basis of just one posting on one
>day.  Significantly, I was deleted in the first round, but my switch to the
>digest format kept me out of the second round, so making that change solved
>the problem for me.  If you need to see things more immediately, you can
>still keep track of the sightings during the day through the ABA site
>(http://birding.aba.org/) or on our own archive
>(http://list.audubon.org/scripts/wa-AUDUBON.exe?A0=NVBIRDS).  The digest
>format does not change how you post sightings to the list:  that remains
>normal.  So, if you get deleted, then resubscribe using the earlier
>instructions and then change that to the digest format (two steps).  
>
>Regarding subscribers who have yahoo.com email addresses, I've seen
>suggestions (PC World and other articles) encouraging those people to set up
>a free second email account (gmail, for instance) for posting and receiving
>listserv emails.  For a lot of reasons, I am in no position to tell people
>what to do, and I probably would be a little irked if I was a yahoo.com user
>and was told that I had to add a new email address.  What I do know is that
>all yahoo.com postings will generate error messages for many subscribers for
>the foreseeable future.  Those affected subscribers, if they want to avoid
>being deleted, should change to the digest format.  
>
>Fundamentally, this Yahoo thing affects a LOT of us in various ways, not
>just the people who are getting deleted.  We all want this listserv to
>continue to provide us with lots of wonderful reports on the birds in
>Nevada, and that continued success depends on us adapting to this issue in
>the best possible way and continuing to report on the birds.  I'll be
>watching this to see what transpires.  Let's hope for policy changes sooner
>than later.  Maybe the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series for the first
>time since 1908.  You never know.
>
>Alan
>
>****************************
>Alan Wallace
>Nevada bird listserv moderator
>Reno NV

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